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CL200 Sidecovers

August 10th, 2009

CL200 right sidecover in piecesThis is the right hand sidecover of the CL200, which crumbled into pieces the first time I removed it to get to the air filter. 

These are extremely hard to find for this bike, and even more expensive if you do find one, so I’m keeping with my main tactic of getting the job done with as little money as possible. 

CL200 sidecover after some repair

So, I got some gorilla superglue and started doing some repairs.  I’ll get some sort of metal stripping for the backside to reinforce the repaired seams, but so far it’s coming together ok.  I’ve applied several overlapping coats of glue and obviously it will need to be sanded, leveled, and repainted when done.

I love repairs like this.  I question the effort versus spending money for one that isn’t broken…but in the end I’ll have a nice sidecover without spending much more than the cost of some supplies and some paint.

Since we’re coming up on the Winter months, this will also give me a nice time consuming yet rewarding task for the cold months.

CL200 Will Live

August 4th, 2009

I am truly sorry I haven’t posted in so long.  Between a lack of funds and the hecticness of late summer, I really haven’t had much time to ride my rider (2008 Kawasaki Vulcan 500) let alone work on my CL200.

However, over the weekend it finally made its way into the shop.  It seems that the issue with no power was most likely due to the clutch cable being too short.  The guy recognized the problem right away.  A new cable is on the way and I should know for sure in a few days.

Aside from that, I’m paying him a little extra to clean out the tank and do a few other little tasks that are very difficult without the right tools.

So, hopefully in a week or so I’ll be back on it….finally able to ride it and do the slow restore as planned.  On another positive note, a good friend of mine may finally have the go ahead from his wife to buy a bike.  He’s more into the sport bike scene, but hey – I’m more interested in the company than I am in what they ride.

CL200 First Look at the Exhaust

July 10th, 2009

CL200 Exhaust after removalAs I mentioned a few days ago, I did finally remove the exhaust to have a good look at it.  It’s pretty rough.

The pipe in the picture is the lower pipe, from the left hand cylinder.  It’s far worse than the upper pipe..as can be expected since the upper pipe is shielded by the lower pipe.

A little bit of elbow grease though has resulted in the less rusty sections that you see.  Some areas are completely pitted and will need a good grinding.

The back side of the exhaust heat shields are also pretty rough as you can see…but nothing that can’t be cleaned up with some work and possibly some Dremel attachments.  I suppose I’ll end up sanding most of the chrome off in the process of cleaning these up, but that’s ok.  They need to be clean for now and I’ll get them rechromed in the future.

CL200 hole in the mufflerThe muffler is pretty well shot.  I’m having a very hard time finding a replacement, so for now I’ll try patching it, sandblasting it, and painting it with a high temperature tolerant black.  As far as I can tell from pictures I’ve found, the muffler was black from the factory.

I’m debating whether or not I should just get the pipes coated black.  It may look pretty good and will also be cheaper than chroming…but it’s just not original.  Any opinions?

1974 CL200:  The heat shield has a crease that needs to be straightenedHere’s a picture of the main heat shield from the front side. It’s not too bad from this side except it has a crease that needs to be straightened.  Also, the screws REALLY need to be replaced…I barely managed to get them out, due to them being already stripped.

So, I’m going to bust a nut trying to get these pipes cleaned up before they pick up the bike next week.  I’ll send it over to the shop without a muffler and try to get that patched and blasted while they’re looking at the engine issues.

CL200: The Basics of This Project

July 7th, 2009

Sorry for my lack of posting the past few days….I had a lot of things that I’ve been promising my daughter I’d do.  Anyway, it was excellent to see some posting in my absence.

I’ll try to get some pictures of the exhaust headers that I started working on while I wait to get this bike picked up and over to the shop for some engine diagnostics/repair beyond my current abilities.  The apparent elbow grease required to get these back into shape reminded me of something important…my budget and plan for this project.

My budget and plan are this:  I have no budget.  By that I don’t mean “unlimited.”  I mean that I’m scraping for funds for this and the plan is to (1) just get it running right, (2) clean and reburbish anything that I can by myself, and finally (3) when it’s all done, I’ll start slowly getting things rechromed where necessary.

It just kind of cracks me up to see projects on TV.  They are just nothing like what we normal people go through to restore an old classic.  I mean, I didn’t start off with a budget of a month’s salary and at this stage, I just don’t see manufacturers donating thousands of dollars in parts to me in order to help me not blow my budget.  I love when they say, “…this should only set you back about $800.”  What?  ONLY? 

Yeah, I guess my strategy is a slow de-aging process, rather than a major all-at-once visit to the fountain of youth. 

CL200 Disappointing Setback

June 29th, 2009

1974 Honda CL200 - The tachometer housing may be the source of the oil.1974 Honda CL200 - This is the oily mess that is coming out of the exhaust port or the tachomter housingWell folks, I guess whenever you get into projects like these, you have to accept that at anytime you may stumble upon a huge setback….one that just takes the wind out of your sails. 

I guess it’s not that dramatic, but I have come to an enormous setback on what I’m considering phase I of this project, which is to just get it running properly.

I did get the carbs back on and it DID start nicely and run on both cylinders…that was a major milestone.  The problem is that it has no power.  When you let out the clutch it can barely chug along at all before stalling.  Also, I noticed that just pushing it in gear while it’s not running is really far too easy.  The back tire should be almost (if not completely) skidding but it’s not.

Without even looking into clutch issues, it definately seems to be a lack of compression.  I’ll have to get the compression tested (maybe see how much that tool costs – may be handy for later use).  Also, I’ve started shopping on ebay to get a new set of rings and a complete set of top end gaskets.  I’m REALLY hoping that once it’s apart I won’t find any cracked heads or pistons or anything like that.  The fact that it runs ok and there’s no smoke pouring out of it seems to indicate that it’s probably worn piston rings.

The other thing I noticed is that there’s a whole lot of oily mess that seems to be blowing out of the loose (as I found out) right hand exhaust port (see the pictures above) or out of the tachometer housing.

All in all. this really isn’t a huge deal, but it does kind of kill my plans to have it running in July.  Engine overhauls are beyond my expertise so I’m looking for someone that will do it really cheap.  I propably wouldn’t mind doing it myself in order to learn, but parts for this bike are rare and expensive.  I guess this is a lesson learned – don’t choose a rare bike for a learning project.  However, what’s started is started and it’s gonna get finished.

CL200 – Making Progress

June 27th, 2009

Some good news.  I started it this morning and it IS running on both cylinders now.  The idle is set way too high, and it’s running kind of crappy in general, but that’s nothing major.  Some fuel is coming out of the left hand overflow now…but not nearly as much as was coming out of the right side before getting it fixed.

When I get home for work…..I think it’s time to try throwing it into gear and taking some test runs down the street.

CL200 – Carbs are back on

June 26th, 2009

Well folks, I’m like a kid the night before Christmas.  I got my carbs back today but by the time I got them reinstalled, it was after 10:00 PM.  I gave it a quick start but shut it right back off.

I think first thing in the morning I’m gonna fire it up.  One good thing is that the right carb doesn’t seem to be spewing fuel anymore.

I also took this opportunity to install some inline fuel filters, because the tank is still pretty gritty.  I did put in some gas and nuts and bolts and shake it all around – but it will need much MUCH more shaking.

If I start it in the morning and it’s running on two cylinders…..I’m gonna call this a major milestone on this project.

CL200 Carbs – Getting Closer!

June 24th, 2009

I had this excellent experience today.  I took the carbs to a guy in Mentor that replied to my Craigslist posting for some help.  When he’s done with them, and with his approval, I will do a nice posting about him, his shop, and of course his meticulously restored CL350 that’s also his daily rider.

Anyway, this guy is living the dream.  He just finished grad school and has a really good day job but he also has a little garage in Mentor where he mostly keeps his excellent collection of motor toys and does little side jobs in order to pay for the place.

So anyway he starts taking the carbs apart on the spot and immediately shows me where I went wrong, explains what he’s doing, and mostly got them fixed…I think.  I ran out of time so I’ll pick them up later in the week.

The really exceptional thing was that rather than just tell me to go buy a bunch of parts (that we both know are extremely hard to find for this bike), he actually put the effort in to work with what I have. 

Here’s what he found (and is almost done fixing):

  • Left carb (the one where gas was not making it past the float) – the jets were both still extremely clogged as well as a bunch of other parts that I didn’t even see because they were so covered with debris and gunk.  As far as I know, this one is good to go.
  • Right carb (the one that was getting fuel into the engine but spewing just as much fuel out the overflow tube) – same story as with the left carb, but he also found that one of the floats has a hole in it.

Now it makes perfect sense.  The float valve is working (as I thought it was) but the float is filling with gas and is too heavy to go up far enough to stop the flow of fuel.  Therefore, fuel keeps coming in and right back out the overflow hose.  He got  all of the really rotten old gas out of the float and is working on plugging it with a really delicate soldering procedure.

Also, since both idle jets were completely clogged, it makes sense now why it won’t idle..duh!

I am not only totally psyched up about the good change that this bike will finally be running by the weekend, but I also learned so much about carburetors today.  The mystery boxes now make sense to me.  Well, the learning is very much one of the most exciting reasons to get into a bike restore.

Honda CL200 Electrical Items

June 23rd, 2009

I figured with the downtime while I get the carbs done (dropping those off tomorrow), I would address some of the electrical issues.  I found some loose wires while I had the headlight off.  I tightened some of the connectors, hooked up the new left hand controls, and yeah – high beans now work.  The tach’s light is also now working, but still not the speedometer light or guage itself.  Also, the right turn signals are now working (sort of – but thre’s either a loose wire or the relay is bad because they blink ultra fast).  The left front turn signal is working, but not the rear.  I put in some different bulbs, but I’m not sure if they are working either (pulled from the CB360).

Anyway, electrical is looking pretty good – just a few loose ends.  I need to find a new rubber boot for hte high beam indicator light…good luck!!!

Broken high bean indicator bulb holder on the CB200

Weekend with the CL200

June 22nd, 2009

I meant to post a few times over the weekend, but just never had the chance.  I sold the CB360 on Friday, so that’s no longer a project.  As with all projects on this site, the content will stay.  I’ll try to get a few older pictures of the CB360 project posted so that anyonce can look.

Well, here’s what’s going on with the CL2o0…

  • Both carbs are having problems.  I cleaned out the left carb and fuel is still not making it past the bowl.  I’m hoping this isn’t a problem with engine compression (suction in this case).  I did pull the plug and verify that there is strong spark.  I may try to pick up some compression guage just to verify.
  • I figured out that the fuel leak is from the right carb…the one that I THOUGHT was working.  Well, it gets fuel into the engine just fine but the float valve is obviously sticking because fuel is pouring out of the overflow host as fast as it comes in from the tank.

Well, as much as I want to learn to do this for myself, I really want the bike on the road in July so I’m going to take the carbs to experts this week and get them professionally overhauled.

While they’re in the shop I’m going to blast out the tank too, because with the amount of junk coming out of the tank, the newly rebuilt carbs will be clogged up in no time.

So, I don’t anticipate many project updates on this for the next week.  I’ll try to post some other good into though, so please stay tuned.

Per the suggestion submitted to this site, I am soaking my carb in pure acetone.  Look at all of the nastiness that came off.

Carb cleaning tip

June 18th, 2009

I got this tip from a very helpful person named Billy, in response to my ad for someone to rebuild my CL200 carbs for me:

Get a can of acetone from Home Depo or Lowes etc. Soak your carb parts in that… The second option is called MEK. Methyl Ethyl Ketone.. another “hot” solvent that will dissolve just about any thing…..

Use a low powered air compressor on the parts which should be wrapped in a t shirt to catch any tiny bearing that are used for check balls or seals while blowing the ports and passages open… These “hot” solvents do NOT harm metal but will screw up any/most other plastic type materials..DO NOT use a fine wire or torch tip cleaner on any holes.. Will only ruin the carb.  Only taake a few minutes of soaking and blowing out..

I may try this to save some $$$ prior to paying for the carbs to be rebuilt.

CL200 carbs

June 17th, 2009

Well today I got a battery in the thing finally.  They actually have pretty decent prices at Wal-Mart.  Anyway, I still can’t find any definitive source for the gas leak, but I did get the left carburetor off and discovered it’s bone dry and gummed up badly.  So, all I can figure is that gas is coming in through the fuel line and going back out the carburetor drain line…which seems to run into the frame around the same place where I was seeing the gas dripping from.

So I’m now looking for someone local to rebuild this carburetor.  Anyone interested?  Also, I found that the muffler is badly rotted and has a gaping hole toward the back.  No big deal there.  I can replace that at my leisure…nothing wrong with a little extra noise that in all honesty produces a nice deep rumble.

I’m going to post an ad on Craigslist to see who will rebuild the carb for a decent price.